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Will Your Alley Look Like This?

HOW WILL TRUCKS UNLOADING BEER KEGS BEHIND YOUR HOME IMPACT YOUR LIFE?

The Approved Downtown Plan Specific Plan (DTSP) allows for 45-foot buildings with high densities to be built adjacent to homes and share alleys with existing residences. Residents who live on 6th Street, 3rd street, 2nd street (and others) will have to contend with sharing alleys with active businesses that receive daily truck deliveries of food, kegs & other supplies.

Have you ever stood in the alley’s behind main Main Street businesses and smelled the stench coming from the restaurant dumpsters? If this was your alley would you open your windows?


Here are a few snapshots I took the morning of Tuesday 4/6/10, as I was having breakfast at Sugar Shack. The pictures show the alley that sits between Main street and 5th street. The trucks were there for nearly 2-hours. The delivery process includes loud and nauseous diesel engines, loud hydraulic lift gates, banging of boxes and kegs, loud discussions with drivers, smoking and loud backup warning beeps.


These are all necessary things for businesses to function and I am not suggesting that what happens between Main & 5th needs any special attention. I am bringing to light what residents on 6th, 3rd, 2nd (and more streets) can expect if the approved DTSP is not stopped by Huntington Beach Neighbors litigation efforts.

HOW WILL THIS IMPACT THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE ALLEYS WHERE LARGER BUILDINGS CAN NOW BE BUILT UNDER THE NEWLY APPROVED DOWNTOWN PLAN?

WHAT WILL BUYERS SAY WHEN YOU DECIDE TO SELL YOUR HOME? WILL THEY WANT TO PAY YOU MORE IF YOUR ALLEY LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE?

  • Try getting out of your garage to get to work on time when the driveway is blocked and the driver of a delivery truck can’t be found.
  • Imagine having exhaust, cigarette smoke and dumpster stench come into your families open bedroom windows. Will you want to open your windows on the alley anymore?
  • Expect the echo of noise captured and amplified by the channel created by 45-foot tall buildings flanking the alley. How will that impact your home?
  • Imagine having large delivery truck constantly driving through your alley. Many parents currently put out warning cones and allow their children to play catch in the alley. Would you want your children to play catch in this alley or rides their bikes up and down?
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  1. John Grace
    April 7, 2010 at 4:18 pm | #1

    More shortsighted pro-business action by this city council. Do they even try to figure out wht the impact of their actions will be? I guess if the Chamber of Commerce is happy then its all good.

    There would be no one to object if you could drive all the residents out of downtown. I can’t wait for the next election.

  2. hansshiff
    April 7, 2010 at 7:32 pm | #2

    If people have not read what this group have been suing the city for, it is time you understand. In Germany we do not shy from taking about such things. Americans joke around and be polite and we debate. Don’t be shy about telling a friend and a neighbor what you see is happening. Take this time to look at what these people are doing. They are asking for your support. They are saving your ass. The library is going to disappear. The parking will worst. The bars will increase. Your property vauses will decrease. All of these are correlated. These people are your neighbors. They have no reason to lie to you.
    They have not spent much time on the beaches and the pollution. I hope they will talk about this too.
    Hans

  3. April 7, 2010 at 7:52 pm | #3

    Dear Hans,

    It is all connected and we do need peoples support. The people need to understand that some groups feel it is OK to hob knob with politicians who give us lip service but do not walk the walk. We are more aggressive because we have had enough experience to know that TALK IS CHEAP. Actions [cc votes] speak louder than words. We have a mandatory settlement conference and the city attorney has not so much as informed Joe Carchio that it will occur. He told me personally at the HB Tomorrow annual meeting that he is “In our camp and wants what we want for the downtown”. I told him that if this were the case that he should insist on being at the settlement conference and he should make very clear to the city attorney that he supports our goals and will vote accordingly.

    Angela Rainsberger
    HB Neighbors BOD
    HB Tomorrow BOD

  4. Frank Dodd
    April 7, 2010 at 8:04 pm | #4

    If anyone is unclear Carchio did recues himself, when it mattered for most of the downtown neighbors, but voted to adopt the most devastating portions of the downtown specific plan. Yes devistating. If he decides to claim that he was not party to the vote on the DTSP just remember he only recued himself from the density reconsideration vote. The rest of the votes that will make our property values drop and will make us all move away are 100% Carchio BACKED!! He voted for them and they all passed.

    He is not the only one to blame, but he is the only one who is running for reelection. If we do not unseat Carchio the cc will still have the 4 votes they need to pass anything they want to pass. They know this and we need to get out the word and educate the voters on this point.
    CARCHIO MUST GO!!!!

    Frank Dodd

  5. Gregg DeLong
    April 9, 2010 at 9:13 am | #5

    The only way to make any (possible) significant change with the direction of HB, is to break the majority of the City Council. If Carchio is able to be re-elected, things will remain in the direction they are headed. We will see more commercial development Downtown, we will see more bars Downtown, the parking problems will continue, we will see more high density housing, we will see 14 story commercial buildings, we will see reduced services to the public.

    Carchio is nothing more than a puppet for Dwyer and Bohr. Check out the voting records over the past years. The proof is there.

    Gregg DeLong
    Candidate, 2010 HB City Council

  6. Mick Mitchell
    April 9, 2010 at 9:58 am | #6

    Joe Carchio still has an opportunity to come to the assistance of the people who believed in him enough to get him voted in the first time (including me).

    Or he can continue sliding down the slippery slope with the developers, Bohr and Hanson.

    I have heard a few things (all of which I hope are untrue) that Joe sold/sells shirts to Zachs but still voted on first round of hearings for the down town deal (even though he had a financial benefit). And he was talking to people about how property values in downtown would be going way up (all before the downtown votes), this too would be a big no-no. I hope that Joe responds to these allegations. If they are true – he needs to go.

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